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MGreener11's avatar

Of all the takes I've read on this PV story, this is the wisest and most inspiring. Reminds me of our shared humanity and the potential of a better society. Thank you for sharing these thoughts.

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Joe Martino's avatar

Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts.

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Paula's avatar

I guess what you are saying is it is okay in our new world to murder people. with vaccines or any means necessary to reduce populations. so elites can fly their jets.

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Anthony T's avatar

in a war many questionable things are done, and it's always tough to look at what the right things are and what the wrong things are and how those change depending on who's looking at it. i think you've done a good job at speaking for most perspectives here when considering the various angles. this is a great story because there is no easy answer and thus we have to look at ourselves and society when thinking about it.

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Joe Martino's avatar

Indeed. It takes taking a step back to think of the bigger picture and downline implications of any story. I think we're dealing with tough questions here not just because of the sheer size of this story but also because what societies response to COVID has shown us. Not to mention there are people who are going to see this story as incredibly distasteful, how might we engage dialogue with them? That is why I pointed to the 'symptoms' analysis here.

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Paula's avatar

Joe, with all that is at stake, I think their means justify their ends.

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Joe Martino's avatar

A fair thought for sure. I have gone there in this case, but as I stated above, there are many feelings that go along with it.

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Landry's avatar

The link to the video no longer works. Do you have another one?

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Dukes Gixer's avatar

He was fair game. He fell into the “honey trap”. As he admitted he was trying to impress his dining partner. He was discussing very sensitive probably “secret” and incriminating subjects. Revealing some very serious agenda. What we “knew” but this is pretty convincing evidence. The whole video needs to be watched. He is clearly freaked out caught !!!

If this is the way we have to get the truth out then so be it. No one was coerced. Even your phone listens to you so there’s no “privacy” issues. Well done Veritas. If it’s a psyop I’ll eat my plate. Yeeaugh! 😳😎. Keep up the good work folks. Back to Twitter now to see if Elons keeping to his anti vax fauci lied narrative. We’ll see 🙏

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Joe Martino's avatar

Well said, and I agree. I hope it was clear in my piece that what is interesting about all this is that our existing and culture is what produces these symptoms. That we have to go this far because government is so unwilling to provide truth. It's a truly wild time! lol

p.s. always curious to see what Elon will follow up on in his claims.

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Fred Reeve's avatar

I agree that it is a telling statement of our society that Project "V" had to get the truth clandestinely but you yourself gave all the reasons why they did what they did. Succinctly, we the people can no longer trust our politicians. Nor can we trust the news media to give us the straight scoop like they did back in the 60's-70's-80's

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Paula's avatar

Yes, it does reflect to what lengths we must go to in order to expose truth. I ask you how can we have any idea of evil if we do not "think" evil and cannot imagine it either? You tell me what evils exist in the world and I will tell you they are true and down a rabbit hole few want to engage in. I said earlier and hated saying it because been so used by bad people for nefarious means; but what Project Veritas did was no less than using CIA and other operatives their own game plans. You should read One Nation Under Blackmail. Maybe you have.

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Dr. Vítor Oliveira's avatar

I believe we all should pay more attention to the fact that the man said something about "in silico" and follow the meaning and implications of this clue. May we all arrive at the no virus team?

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Ron C's avatar

We have a system written that has been perverted by the criminal government, and courts that were meant to be a check against the criminals in the government are merely assisting the criminals! The DC swamp is out of control of we the people! So yes absolutely a drastic change is needed! I feel back to the intent of our constitution, and certainly not to a CCP form of governance.

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A Devadattan Michael T's avatar

Hey BRU bruh……

Ther is no justification to do what others have done…. (Unethical

nonsense) in this discourse….

Let’s get some basic principles and values before giving any credibility to the arguments

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Fabian Spieker's avatar

Thank you

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Albert Schindler's avatar

Totally agree, MGreener11. This is why I want to stay the course with Joe: he's the coolest, level-headed guy around.

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Treena's avatar

Thank you Joe. I agree, We have to live among one another.

I was also saddened to witness this man's absolute breakdown and irrational behaviour in the cafe. He seems like a cornered animal in the video, what a shocking and uncomfortable moment it must have been for him. Whether Project Veritas were unethical (yes I would think) and unscupulous, or not, the result of their filmed investigation gave us a window into something deeply disturbing: an individual desperate to mask and smokescreen his actions, to attack, to run and hide from the scrutiny. As you suggest, I think as individuals privvy to this mess, although it's easier to judge one or the other party or look away from disgust, we could ask ourselves what lies beneath this scenario, this behaviour?

What seeds of malcontent miscommunication and distrust exist that grew into such a scenario?

I found Jordan's arrogance and nonchalance jaw-droppingly shocking. He was manic in the initial video recording, seen ddescribing Pfizer's "mutation" experiments and "direction evolution'" trials, as if he himself was relieved to get the info out, to off load something so secretive and bold. Damn straight he was trying to impress his date, that was obvious!

When considering ethical decisions and the behaviours of those involved, I would certainly question Jordan, who in his professional position, should have known better, but I'd also ask Pfizer execs if they have the backs of individuals like this who would clearly be willing to crash and burn for the company. My guess is no and that his days are numbered.

He certainly seems witless and completely fallible in that first shocking video, but also vulnerable and clueless when it comes to the details (He can't quite describe how these trials look and sound just like gain of function research, but they definitely aren't!). I abhor what they have allegedly been up to down at Pfizer, but I am also really saddened about the human fallout both outside the walls of the instituation, in unsuspecting "America" aka the public, but also within. What else are they creating with this direction?

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Ron C's avatar

So as I read the comments, it strikes me that everyone is thinking with their feelings, instead of watching what the evil people are doing, and using your brain and common sense! And In doing so, you are going to end up as slaves under another tyrannical government!

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Joe Martino's avatar

Interesting take Ron. Do you feel that my piece pointed out the corruption and wrong doing of those in power? I intended for that to come across and hope it did. I think the point of this piece is actually to prepare people to not get sucked into a tyrannical government.

The statement here: "Thus, we can end our inquiry at “ha, he got caught red handed and now Pfizer will go down!” But I suspect it will only be another couple of years before we have another major ‘symptom’ happen in our society as a result of how it’s designed and what its incentive structures are. Little will change."

Is a call to say, if we don't consider wholesale change of our system we will always be stuck in the same dynamic and being unheard and powerless within this system. What I see in some of the comments is not necessarily people avoiding the wrong doing of 'bad people incentivized by a bad system' but people acknowledging that the solution to these authoritarian systems is waking up to the need for societal re-design.

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Ron C's avatar

Oh for crap sakes, everyone knows how it works, the news media works for the swamp in Washington DC, which accepts the pay offs from the drug companies, and the citizens take it in the backsides every time!

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