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These are all good points in understanding the issue of "life after death" and in an academic sense our collective knowledge of this issue has indeed increased since the spiritualists approached it over a hundred years ago. The question i bring up, is whether this pursuit, framed academically, has really gotten us anywhere much ? Do these New -- Paradigms, Metaphors and Directions, acquired while seeking Beyond Self and Personality -- really get us further than the ones arrived at in previous eras ? Or perhaps were the concepts the spiritualists applied, right for them, while ours are appropriate for our times ?

Could it be that the idea of progress for progress' sake, is just another grand illusion, in effect keeping us from doing what we really should be doing -- while in this special situation of existence on the Earth plane, i.e. "Oh, we know so much more now, than the spiritualists ever did, it'll all be a piece of cake when the time comes" ? Alternative Egyptologist, John Anthony West highlighted the religiosity of this attitude, by calling it "The Church of Progress." From his in-depth understanding of the spiritual life of the ancient Egyptian civilization, progress wasn't big on their to do list.

i know it seems that revelation of new takes on the matter, as conveyed by each of the esteemed researchers you interviewed, would add to finally resolving it, but isn't this barking up the wrong tree -- of life and death ? However i do admit, without being the least bit cynical, that pulling together all these fresh perspectives on this age old question, is still a very noble venture.

However maybe the real objective to this pursuit is more like, what has already been coined by some -- "unlearning." For all the acclaimed objectivity of the scientific method, isn't the concept of science itself, a dogma, especially when we begin to glimpse that consciousness is necessary for matter to even exist, but science still demands that matter and all else, exist independently ? However using our mind is obviously still important, essential in fact, but using it in the service of . . . what ? This to me is the real question. Once we step out of giving our intellect full and autonomous authority, we seem to immediately become heretics doing a sacrilege -- in regards to this Church thing again, whether its progress or science. Can't science really stand on its own merits ? Maybe in truth, it really can't !

To me, in some sense, some big sense -- "science" is counterposed by "life." You know like people who really know some stuff, some good stuff, but haven't acquired it at an institute of higher learning, may cite "the school of life" instead. Learn from them instead and eventually become them, through the real progress -- of your own life -- but also the collective one of your tribe (and/or all of humanity). In effect -- serve life itself. And use your intellect to make up all the "takes" necessary, as needed, for each evolving situation of this -- "life."

However, there could still be some personal benefit to a deep search for metaphysical truth, as it seems to be for the theoretical physicists driven to search for the ultimate theory unifying of all of the known forces of Nature (but didn't Einstein already do that, and it was kept secret ?). In alchemy it is known that it is never really about turning lead into gold but the real objective is the transformation of consciousness, however the pursuit is still necessary and needs to be undertaken with extreme dedication, as if it is the only thing worthy of doing -- this path with a purpose then configuring, aligning and transforming the consciousness of the Alchemist.

Then what about this "death" that it would be foolish to deny we will encounter at some point ? Maybe that's all been taken care of already in doing our best in life ? Sure there are all those "takes on how it all works" -- ones that can't be mentioned while still adhering to proper scientific inquiry -- like the concept of the "soul." Interestingly, the Egyptians had a different concept that really blows ours out of the water -- of the Ba and the Ka in perpetual dialectic relationship to each other -- till death, when the prospect of the evolved Akh becomes possible through the merging of the two. Now wasn't that evolved, and doesn't it demonstrate that metaphysical concepts like these, although having merit and meaning, are still specific to each culture and epoch of time ?

Then what about the "guide" that inevitably appears in all of the accounts of NDEs i've read -- giving the recently departed, but arrived there instead -- their choice of going on into the afterlife or going back to do some special mission for humanity or at least taking another stab at their personal life plan of balancing out some inequity to their soul, taken in previous incarnations. But this immediately brings up the already coined terms "dharma" and "karma" -- and we can't have those in any respectable review of literature, while retaining academic merit. Ah, this is going to be impossible !

Honestly this keeps me going back to tidbits of wise counsel i'm come across in my journeys -- either literary, geographic or interdimensional. This is one that made me take notice on the eve of the plandemic (eves are more potent than the days-of); it's by a wise Hopi: https://www.pressenza.com/2021/08/hopi-indian-chief-white-eagle-this-moment-humanity-is-experiencing-can-be-seen-as-a-door-or-a-hole/ If we prepare and take death as a "door" we walk through, rather than a "hole" we are forced to fall into (by any of our life's circumstances) -- we will continue with the same attitude of care, joy and positivity, we held for each other, our Earth, and ourselves.

But yet although i keep hearing this type of wisdom, sometimes in sequences that could be framed in Jung's concept of "synchronicity" -- in each instance having a slightly different form but essentially the same message -- one for me personally, i still keep being drawn to know stuff -- to really figure stuff out (metaphysical stuff) -- somehow as if to act as my legacy that i will hold up as i pass through the dimensional barrier. Undoubtedly it will be laughed at -- but it will likely be i myself who is the one laughing, while lamenting rhetorically "not again."

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My sense is, is that yes our personality is constructed, but also contains the personality of our 'soul', and is expressed to greater or lesser degrees in this life. I don't think energy is fundamental, I think consciousness is, and consciousness directs energy into form. I don't believe we meld back into a soup of greater consciousness after death, losing the boundary of our personal soul consciousness. I believe we are both part of the greater soul consciousness and a unique expression of it, after death also. I think Jesus tried to impart that to us. If I didn't have the common experiences of remote viewing, precognition, communication to souls disembodied, I most likely would believe all of this was codswallop, so as a naturally doubting Thomas, I am glad I am reassured with such experiences. But it is only partial reassurance, being embodied is the most familiar experience I have as well as interaction with other embodied souls, and the unfamiliar is frightening to me at least. I just don't see how we can truly capture through the lens of science the mechanics of what is going on in non-material reality, I think it really is like trying to nail jelly to the wall. Going back to Jesus, he demonstrated according to what is written (and I hope it is not exaggerated, perhaps it is) the non local, non physical nature of reality and he tried to inform us that it is powered creatively by 'love' consciousness. I don't like using that word 'love' because a word really doesn't convey the true meaning. It is an experience, a very powerful and profound experience that I think we humans rarely experience, even if we think we do.

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